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During the course of our hour- and-20-minute interview, Daniel Ellsberg contended America still runs a “covert empire” around the world, embodied in the U.S. domination of NATO.

He believes Washington deliberately provoked Vladimir Putin into invading Ukraine by pushing its seat of power eastward toward Russia’s borders; that the mainstream media is “complicit” in allowing the government to keep secrets it has no right to withhold; and that any notion Americans are ever the “good guys” abroad “has always been false.”

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